carburecion vs. injection

Hello, I could not avoid laughing when you say about the Chinese ... here the blame of all the shit that they breathe, apart from the cars, has its productive "greed" at the price that is ... chemistry poured to the rivers, thermal plants working at full power .. and without filtering ... we are not going to make here a new Kyoto treaty, according to the catalyst that the catalyst fulfills an important role (but only to a certain role (but only to a certain role ( Reduces monoxide, but the rest ... It is yet to demonstrate the catalyst if we put it in a carburetor engine, do you think
you would not fulfill its function?, knowing that it works by temperature, it would be interesting to do the experiment, (despite not carrying oxygen probe) to see what values ​​it gave us %co, compared to me ... now I see In principle ... this is another debate more!
Com regarding the price, if you have to say, disagreeing from the opinion of fellow Fiat, that if they have a justified high price (apart from intermediaries, designers, etc.) for the material with which they are manufactured, rather than with the cost of production, for example. The catalyst and its metals with which they are manufactured (paladium, etc.), or the famous oxygen probe "lambda" (circumline ), caudalimetro of "platinum" thread ", etc ... are necessary for its effectiveness and precision, but as everything, they degrade, I personally prefer to change the famous suppliers" of bronze " of a carburetor for 3 euros = 2 pieces . That I have seen are effective, simple, very low of maintenance: famous solex, piergburg, webber ... that yes, do not bring me a Stromberg of aviation or things like that, it is not necessary for a car .. (This is already the thing of the Japanese .. ) in terms of being able to diagnose that happens to a carburetor, if it is fault Know which assider needs, etc ... (this is beautiful), and let the ear work ... the intuition ... and then ... then the shoe (all "crazy" ..) but with caution, lest it walk close ... greetings !!!

Hello everyone , Ismael, hahaha. You had a very sensitive topic in me the Stromberg, that carburetor for my summarize the best of carburetors, I love, I have studied them. My grandfather always told me about an English carburetor practically handmade, who had had the honor of cleaning and adjusting, many times I told me about him ... , a jewel ...
greetings.

Hello, Ismael53, it is cintifically proven that the 3 -way catalyst reduces the 3 most harmful gases to human health (CO, HC, NOx), additionally also reduces the fine particulate (Ollin), also highly cancerigen. (World Health Organization source). From the tests with catalysts in carbureted systems, many were made, the main reasons were the inability of the carburetor to maintain the catalyst as longable with stoichiometric mixture. You know they cannot regulate the mixture with as much precision as an EFI, surely you have witnessed the destruction of catalysts for bad mixtures eecially very rich, on the kick of injection systems with failures. I mean a little one; or lack of control and catalytic chao, that in my opinion was what led to the decisions of designing more efficient systems, electronic injection with catalyst monitoring the richness of the mixture with Zonda Lamda *for its protection and efficiency. With respect to the cost of technology, I would be surprised to know not only the cost of the spare parts, if not the low cost that comes to the manufacturer to set a complete $$$ complete car. I cook with you when he affirms that the price of some suppliers to perform the fuel seting contributed by a carburetor, if they are cheap, they are increasing Diagnose a carburetor failing since they even know them in many cases ... and those same people are able to accurately diagnose many problems generated in EFI, in my opinion because they are the systems that are currently being used.
Even the field motorcycles, last bastion resistant to the use of electronic injection in their engines today have succumbed to modernity. For me the carburetors are beautiful, without greater complexities, they fulfill the entrusted function, if the manufacturers had found a more efficient (ecological) approach way, care that we would all be wearing them. For me, there are always carburetors, but it does not seem to me a technology so that the great mass of us use without damaging the environment, which for me is the most important thing of everything, although it has a cost, by the way not less, for me it is the cost that we must pay each of us contributing a granitode sand for the protection of our home the earth. I would like to hear the opinion of the SR Greetings to all.

My opinion on the subject begins by telling a little about the history of my country Spain.
Everything begins with people taking in donkey and cart continues with the civil war and a fascist regime.
We are in the 60s with garbage cars such as the Seat 600 air -cooled and the citroen 2 horses. They are super sales because people do not have money, we continue with Seat 127, Fura, Ronda, 131, 1430 and some German cars such as Barburi or how it is written.
The dictator dies we get into the 80s and enjoy the R5, R6, R11 and other French aberrations.
Some Mercedes are seen but they are still heavy whales that suck more gasoline than in the country.

90s there is barbarism of brands and models and the injection engines and better benefits begin. Oooh I can buy the car with air conditioning <-All a luxury in the time.

After all this story that you have no doubt that the carburement has been the worst way of transporting in Spain. In the morning it is cold of the stay, ohh does not go from pedal the car is gathered.
A carburacion is compared to an Opel Kadet 2.0 GSI Point speed 240 kilometers Uuuf.

Hello everyone, of course I agree with Igryo, for Spain, it was, but also remember that displacements carry those R-5 and others (1137cc ..) What did you want with 50 hp? It is true that they spent as a 2.0 ... and how you would leave the starter thrown ..., but since you mention the Kadett, the 1.6 SV spent practically the same as an injection of A today, in terms of benefits, anyone can tell you what it was, as soon as carburement faults = 1 time in 14 years (tube one) the corsa, the same (and how the GT accelerated ). That I have now (a C20XE and a VW 1.4) but I must also say that I have almost all the spare parts for these, because when it is not a collector, it is a hall that has failed him and that is that in these systems, in any monkey something fails you and. You stay there; To the carburetor, you opened in the middle of a highway and you were still as if nothing, now no longer, and every time the systems are more complicated, to after all have the same benefits as another of 20 years ago ... or do you think that if the GSI you say, you adapt a carbure as God sends (since his injection is) would not have the same (or even greater) benefits? I do not talk about preparing the engine, just by adapting carbure. It is true that I would not meet the levels of gas emission, but this model, neither did it not comply with, not even the catalyzed model, although they allow it to pass the ITV ... I perfectly understand that the injection gives a softness of practically perfect operation , you can modify values, etc. But it is already complicating you, it is not "to put a screwdriver" and already this. Surely my opinion comes founded in that I see the car, as one more thing at our service, not as a friend told me: "I live for the fucking car .. $$$ and more $", it is true, as you have implied, the times change ... but that it is better, that if not ... that is my opinion regarding the new systems. Greetings!!!